On which program did Shi Yuzhu talk about Feng Shui?

Dialogue. Shi Yuzhu said that people who don't believe often succeed from the beginning, thinking that everything is created by their own abilities. However, once they encounter major twists and turns and turn the world upside down, he will understand that everything is doomed. Ma Yun and Shi Yuzhu talked about Feng Shui in the program, and they believed it.