According to the introduction of the subject, it is not that others want to bury the ancestral grave in your home, but that the ancestral grave has long been in your home, and now only the deceased old man continues to enter the ancestral grave.
This depends on the external compensation when the land is divided. At the beginning, when making component plots, lots were drawn, and which one was caught. But when dividing the land, if there are wells or graves, it can't be counted as acres. If you divide your land into three acres, it should actually be more than three acres. If this is the case, the elderly cannot be restricted from entering the ancestral graves. We must fight for ancestral graves first, and then divide the land.
However, it is impossible to divide the land without cutting down the cemetery. If you are given three acres of land and don't cut down the cemetery, your actual cultivated land is not three acres, and you won't agree. If this is the case, the village will agree to level the cemetery and grow crops. If you don't flatten it, it means that the cemetery will be reduced for you.
At present, there are many graves in rural areas, but the graves are all buried and the land planted is peaceful, which shows that no one has harmed anyone's interests.
If someone else's ancestral grave is on your land, it is peaceful at ordinary times, and it is inevitable to step on it during burial and sacrifice, then he should give some compensation appropriately. He won't give compensation, and he won't be allowed to step on it. It makes sense wherever he goes, but it makes no sense for you to let others touch his ancestral grave.
Unless you pay for the relocation and burial, the extra land is still owned by others, otherwise it is unreasonable. You must fight for the ancestral graves first and then divide the land later.
In rural areas, there are many other people's ancestral graves, mainly because the rural land is circulating and changing greatly. Therefore, ancestral graves are generally not in their own land.
Because there are many contradictions in this way, some even make great efforts. About the year before last, I heard that this happened in a neighboring village of mine.
The old man in this family was going to be buried, and the owner of this place came out to stop it. The reason is that the owner of the land must pay compensation, one is the land occupation fee, and the other is the compensation for crop damage. In the meantime, although the middleman took the lead, the owner of the land suspected that there was less money and went back on his word.
Waiting for the burial, the landlord blocked it, the contradiction intensified, and finally the war broke out. People were injured on both sides, and some people went to the hospital. People died and were forced by the village party secretary, so people were buried.
Later, after treatment, the owner of the land was compensated, but the two sides never spoke again. One side went to the grave to worship the ancestors, while the other side watched.
I'm afraid this contradiction is difficult to solve and has always existed.
The purpose of saying this is to value harmony. If people can't move their graves, or don't have the idea of moving their graves, they will still tolerate it. Relationships are very important and there should be no contradictions. After all, the loss of a grave to the ground is not great. Once the relationship is frozen, the loss is greater than the economic loss.
Let's talk about our ancestral graves first.
During the Cultural Revolution, our brothers and sisters moved back to their hometown in Shanxi with their parents.
Before we went back to Shanxi, my grandparents' graves were buried in a wasteland, which is the origin of my ancestral graves. When we buried our grandparents, the ancestral grave was a graveyard with four plots of land, or a wasteland full of weeds.
In 76, after my father died, I buried my father next to my grandparents' list. Later, my second uncle and my sons were buried in the ancestral graves.
/kloc-around 0/983, our hometown subcontracted land, and this wasteland of our ancestral grave was also divided out, but the area of the cemetery was not included in the subcontracting. 19 12 years, my mother also returned to the ancestral grave. 19 15, after my second uncle's fourth son died, all the small willows were planted in the ground because of the owner of the subcontract land. It was as thick as a hand bowl. In this case, my fourth brother's coffin can't be carried in at all. I replied that cutting down trees should not hurt saplings too much. Finally, when the cadres and householders saw it, they didn't complain at all. I also told them that if you don't agree to cut down trees and carry coffins, you can take a tape measure to measure acres of land, except for trees, which are all cemeteries, because there are not many relatives in our hometown, and the landlord has reclaimed all the surrounding graves into fields, leaving only a few graves.
In short, we must understand each other and respect each other's feelings in this matter. Only in this way can we solve the contradiction better.
Neighbors should continue to be buried in the original cemetery. Why? In the first case, the land was originally owned by others, and then the policy changed into communes (people's communes, villages, brigades and squads), dividing individual land into collectives, and then distributing the land to individuals (every household) through contracting. So the land changes with time, and everyone changes, so you can't move the grave once with the change of the land owner. Besides, everyone has ancestral graves, and there is an old saying in the countryside, "Be reasonable, the other way around." How do you feel when you get the land (the landlord changes once) and let you move your ancestors once?
Whose home is the ancestral grave, and it will definitely continue. Don't ask others to move the grave? It doesn't make sense. Nowadays, many places just don't allow adding new graves, which leads people who have just died to find another place. There is no way. After all, it is personal land now, and all aspects can make sense and everyone can understand it.
Do you mean the ancestral grave is a new grave? If this is absolutely not allowed, after all, there is land, why should it be buried in other people's land? Isn't it troublesome? Sensibility and rationality are meaningless. People have good terrain, and everyone knows that it is good. You can exchange with others. If the other party agrees, otherwise I hope you will give up your mind.
At present, our village is doing the best. No matter whose old man died, no matter whose land the old grave is on, we can bury it smoothly as long as we say hello, and no one will stop it, and no one will mention any conditions. This is the custom of our village. It is often said that there are old people, which is a unique custom in our village. Other villages will not be able to add new graves.
After all, everyone can understand that there will be an old day, so it is a established custom that we are all buried in whose land the old grave is buried, or continue to be buried in whose land. According to the old man, it has been passed down for generations, and everyone supports it. It is indeed a harmonious cash withdrawal.
If it's too much trouble to add a new grave, we have to find a new place, which will be even more troublesome at the funeral. Women can't go to the grave, they have to plant flags in the field. Many things are generally unwilling to find new places, so there is really no way to make bad decisions. There are few new graves in our village, all of which rely on ancestral graves. The folk customs here are simple and people are very kind. After all, this kind of thing is mutual, and everyone has old people.
There is a saying in my hometown that "golden land and silver land are not as expensive as cemeteries." In other words, if the old man of Zhang Sanjia dies, please ask Mr. Feng Shui to spread the land. On the land of the Li family, the two families negotiated. If the Li family agrees conditionally, then the Zhang family will take some gifts as a courtesy and go to the Li family to thank humbly. If the Li family should, but his conditions are harsh, it is obvious that he will have to pay a certain fee to solve it. The level of land price depends on the attitude of the landlord, ranging from three to five thousand or five hundred thousand. Should have that sentence: gold and silver land is not as expensive as cemetery. Because mom and dad are too old to bargain with others. Generally, the landlord can say as much as he wants. This is a new grave for burying other people's homes.
Besides, Zhang Sanjia's ancestral graves have long been buried in the ground. Later, this land was just given to the Li Si family. So what should Li Si do if he wants to farm? Common sense, you plant your land, he sacrifices to the ancestral grave, and each has his place. If the Li family thinks that the ancestral graves of the Zhang family occupy his family's treasure, they will be jealous and force the Zhang family to move their graves. It is unreasonable and will not be recognized by everyone in the village. For example, if the Li Si family bullies others, or consciously destroys graves and creates troubles, they will inevitably be condemned and scolded by villagers and neighbors, which is considered as bad conscience and immoral.
In recent years, there are many contradictions and disputes caused by graves in rural areas, most of which are disputes caused by the land boundaries of one family, followed by some cunning people, who occupy an area full of mountains and plains, or are insatiable, and the leisure places around their land are all their own, and others are not allowed to occupy them.
In short, the existence or burial of rural graves is an ambiguous topic, and contradictions and disputes will always occur. Although human civilization is constantly expanding, it will never happen overnight to completely abandon the feudal dross in some people's minds.
It's not illegal for you to stop them, but it's not smooth for everyone to look up and see. This matter can best be settled through mediation by the village Committee, so that everyone is happy and not injured. My father-in-law's ancestral grave is in someone else's house. After his death, he was buried in someone else's house. The somebody else also didn't say anything. We gave them a lot of cigarettes, wine and so on. Later, my mother-in-law died of illness, and others euphemistically suggested that she didn't want to be buried in the grave. So we took out her father-in-law's coffin and buried it with her mother-in her own house.
In rural areas, ancestral graves are very important in families, so it is very cautious and crucial to choose cemeteries for the elderly after their death. But because of this, many cemeteries in rural areas are very messy and can be seen everywhere. With the development of the times, especially with several subcontracts of rural land, some cemeteries have arrived in other people's fields.
I believe many people have encountered this situation in rural areas, because when we were young, Tomb-Sweeping Day and the old people at home went to pay their ancestors' graves, we remember very clearly that the graves were in other people's rape fields, and when Tomb-Sweeping Day was there, the rape had grown so deep that we couldn't get in at all, so we had no choice but to kowtow and burn paper on the ridge. Because in rural areas, farmers mainly rely on farming for a living, especially now rural farming is basically a group that is old or inconvenient to go out to work. These people are very dependent on the fields. If their ancestral graves are in other people's fields, they will be the ones who suffer. Therefore, we can't ask other people's homes to set aside a special road for us to worship our ancestors in Qingming.
I believe many rural people have also encountered this situation: other people's ancestral graves are in their own fields, and their ancestral graves are in other people's fields. So what should we do about this situation?
In fact, in rural areas, many production teams have been dealing with this problem when they divide the fields. For example, if someone else's ancestral graves are found in their own fields in rural areas, under normal circumstances, the production team will not let people rip off their ancestral graves because their ancestral graves are also in other people's fields. If they dare to pick up other people's ancestral graves, then others will pick up their own ancestral graves. In rural areas, it is extremely outrageous to bury one's ancestral graves, and it is even more necessary to be poked by others, so no one in rural areas dares to do so. Therefore, in the process of land distribution, if there is someone else's ancestral grave on their own land, the area occupied by this ancestral grave will generally be removed from the land area. To put it bluntly, the acres of our own fields do not include the area occupied by other people's ancestral graves.
Of course, many ancestral graves were razed in the last century, so some people in the countryside have long since lost sight of their ancestral graves, and only the elderly at home know where they are. In this case, the premise of mu is to include the area where other people's ancestral graves are located. In this case, all the people who come to pay homage to the ancestral graves are old people. Once these old people die, it is likely that no one will come to this grave to worship. Therefore, we might as well be tolerant. We know that people grow more like children, but children have their own parents to take care of them, and these old people often don't have their children around, and the children around them often don't have the patience. Therefore, in fact, the older the elderly, the more. At this time, if we are unreasonable, it is likely to cause great psychological trauma to the old people. Moreover, we can't earn a few dollars by farming now, and everyone can't finish eating. We might as well be tolerant and give some ideas to the old people.
Therefore, in Lao Zhang's view, other people's ancestral graves do not occupy much space. If you are worried that the ancestral graves in Tomb-Sweeping Day will destroy your crops, we can use another warning sign to remind you. I believe most people can understand and try not to destroy our crops. Moreover, if our ancestral graves are in other people's homes, Lao Zhang doesn't recommend moving graves, because there are many arguments and concerns about moving graves in rural areas, and getting them down is a big expense and totally meaningless. We might as well say hello to others. We are all villagers and have the same problem. I believe we can understand each other. At the same time, when we worship the ancestral graves, we should try not to spoil other people's crops.
Where was the ancestral grave buried first, or was it buried in your home after your family was assigned that land? If the ancestral graves were there before, I can give you some young crops subsidies, usually two or three hundred dollars. You have to let someone else bury it, because your ancestral grave may not happen to be in your own land. You're embarrassing yourself now. If there are no old people, it is very important to enter the ancestral graves in the countryside. I hope you will consider opening it.
You can't argue clearly if you don't say it clearly. Sometimes, if something that you feel quite reasonable in your heart is really put on the table for everyone to comment, it may not be supported, but it will make others feel that your entanglement is unreasonable at all. After reading the subject's question and the following supplementary explanation, I feel a little like this.
The deceased is the greatest and the grave is the safest. This is a tradition handed down by China people for thousands of years. Since your family is in the countryside and you are a farmer, you must understand the truth. Farmers living in rural areas will have their own ancestral graves. Other people's ancestral graves are now in your contracted land, and your ancestral graves are probably also in other people's contracted land. There is a grave in the field, which is definitely not convenient for farming. Everyone knows that. So when the contracted land was originally divided, no one wanted it. I just don't want to go home. Finally, someone has to rush to the cemetery helplessly. It's just that when dividing the contracted land, in order to eliminate this contradiction, the general village chooses the lottery method with the consent of the villagers. It's luck to catch up with or not catch up with the cemetery. There is no point in letting anyone catch up. Even if you were silent at that time, other villagers would not agree with you.
From what you said, your family seems to be quite honest. The family who built the ancestral grave in your contracted land bullied you. But it never occurred to you that people's ancestral graves stood long before the household contract responsibility system was implemented in rural land. On the contrary, it's totally unreasonable that you don't let people bury people in their ancestral graves now, but only let them move their ancestral graves.
Besides, generally speaking, when dividing the contracted land, families who catch up with graves, wells or furrows should consider increasing the corresponding bonus on the actual mu, also considering their own reality. Your family enjoyed the cemetery bonus when contracting, and now it is unreasonable to let others bury people in turn. If you want people to move their ancestral graves, first of all, you should say that you only need to reach an agreement with them through consultation, and there is no reason to force them. You should pay the cost of moving the grave and compensate them for the loss of mu of land.
In fact, you can negotiate with others to change places calmly, and you can compensate them for whatever they need. Just one thing you have to understand, even if you are willing to compensate, if people don't agree to move or change land, you can only do so.